tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post8108164624385132739..comments2024-01-06T08:38:28.019+00:00Comments on Blaugustine's Other Blog: CREATIVELY AGEING IN DEAUVILLEUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-58332645231725410442013-11-17T17:40:02.399+00:002013-11-17T17:40:02.399+00:00Beth, I think visual artists differ from writers i...Beth, I think visual artists differ from writers in how they go about exercising their craft and not only in terms of the physical space required. I know that you and I are similar in that respect, as you've described above. But maybe for artists who work with a team of assistants, or who engage in communal projects, it's very different.Natalie d'Arbeloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757081405040926647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-80121347440319619702013-11-16T19:06:48.262+00:002013-11-16T19:06:48.262+00:00Further, on your address, which I thought was real...Further, on your address, which I thought was really excellent -- I know the state you are describing, and also that it is a choice. Writing is quite different for me from making art, though both require silence. Art (the studio kind, not outdoor sketching) also requires solitude, and a block of time during which I know I won't be interrupted, so that I can allow my concentration to deepen and listen to the interaction that's going on between me and the artwork and the Muse or whatever It is. Persistence is also important; I rarely quit but try to work through whatever frustration or obstacles or difficulties may come up; in fact I expect them and they don't rattle me so much as they used to, because I'm learning to trust the process and its ability to teach me something that will carry over into the next session or project. I also learn so much from you and a couple of other older creators I've known, and I just hope I can keep going in the same way, entering that remarkable room and closing the metaphorical door behind me!Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829062955658284450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-35669092653849249652013-11-16T18:57:55.350+00:002013-11-16T18:57:55.350+00:00Natalie, I am quite sure that somewhere there are ...Natalie, I am quite sure that somewhere there are people saying, "I met the most amazing, inspiring woman in Deauville..." Pooh on the panel; as other have said, your real impact may well have been elsewhere. As the Buddhists say, "We never know when one word can become a ferry-boat for someone."Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829062955658284450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-18868860407916651162013-11-13T18:22:06.224+00:002013-11-13T18:22:06.224+00:00Nothing but ineptitude so far being translated, bu...Nothing but ineptitude so far being translated, but I hope to keep at it. Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08690685768980280402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-36750371136963196182013-11-13T12:15:46.799+00:002013-11-13T12:15:46.799+00:00Jean, you've taken up painting! That's gre...Jean, you've taken up painting! That's great news. If the acute sensibility demonstrated in your photos is being translated into paint, I'm really eager to see the results.<br /><br />Indeed the stage-managing of those big events must be mind-boggling and I admire those who can do it. But it's true that small personal contacts probably achieve more than all the hullabaloo.Natalie d'Arbeloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757081405040926647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-21623106049598044742013-11-13T10:07:13.187+00:002013-11-13T10:07:13.187+00:00I recognise so much you say here. Having spent man...I recognise so much you say here. Having spent many years organising big events as part of a job I once had, I concluded that any real benefits lay almost entirely in the informal contacts facilitated and not in formal sessions that were inevitably too many, too stage-managed, not conducive to real exchange... <br /><br />And I love what you write about the creative space. It resonates deeply with my own increasing experience that I have to create with my hands as well as my head and eyes, to get completely absorbed in it (so currently making pretty pathetic attempts at painting - hope I can stick with it; I think I may).<br /><br />Visual artists who can write so well about what you do are pretty rare, I think. Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08690685768980280402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-15279232912275120442013-11-11T21:41:19.937+00:002013-11-11T21:41:19.937+00:00Siona, apart from a scarf, yes, the sleeves of tha...Siona, apart from a scarf, yes, the sleeves of that shirt are the only leopard print I own. Ah, if only you had been present on that panel! I would love to have heard - or to hear now - your take on ageing (or aging, when across the pond) especially since you have a long way to go before anyone associates that word with you. But of course the process starts with the first breath we take. Yesterday's headline in the Independent was: An end to ageing? (about the research being done on the DNA of the so-called Peter Pan woman/child who just died. Natalie d'Arbeloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757081405040926647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-60290389389611513252013-11-11T19:11:33.717+00:002013-11-11T19:11:33.717+00:00I hope that's not the only piece of leopard pr...I hope that's not the only piece of leopard print you own, because you wear those spots fabulously. <br /><br />I would have loved to have been present at that panel-- monological or otherwise-- as "creative aging" is a topic I'm deeply interested in. (I do laugh at the framing of it, though. Aren't we all "aging" from the the moment we leave the womb? And how can aging be anything but creative?) <br /><br />I loved the wisdom and reflection in your notes, Natalie, and love imagining the improvisations on them, too. Also, I would offer that in many cases aging releases, rather than merely "failing to kill" the inner rebel! Among women in particular I have heard from many who find a certain creative liberation that comes with aging, as they find themselves caring less and less about what others think of them. <br /><br />The photos are a treat-- I love the step seating in the first, and the contrast, too, between the strict minimalism of the purple and white room and the lavishness and colors of the party. Sionahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07563367351630884108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-65787539425424339772013-11-11T18:57:43.641+00:002013-11-11T18:57:43.641+00:00Tom, I agree with the 'too much, too thinly sp...Tom, I agree with the 'too much, too thinly spread'. But the session I was involved with was only a tiny murmur in a programme mainly concerned with global issues very much beyond my own limited sphere. So from the perspective of people actively working on such issues and contributing solutions in that world, the Forum must have been a completely different experience.Natalie d'Arbeloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757081405040926647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-48220522126259151982013-11-11T18:47:37.932+00:002013-11-11T18:47:37.932+00:00Hattie, my report is very limited and biased towar...Hattie, my report is very limited and biased towards my own participation. I haven't said anything about the different sorts of creativity being practiced by so many women working on humanitarian projects in many countries - you'd have to go to the Forum website and watch some of the videos of the main plenary sessions over the three days of this event. If you'd been there with me, I'm sure you would have been a better reporter.Natalie d'Arbeloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757081405040926647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-15007752483073102952013-11-11T18:35:20.017+00:002013-11-11T18:35:20.017+00:00Dick, it was indeed worthwhile and I didn't me...Dick, it was indeed worthwhile and I didn't mean to imply that the other speakers weren't qualified to talk about the subject empirically. Each of them are creative, in different ways, but it was simply that this particular combination of disparate elements didn't manage to connect and the time allotted was too short to allow greater depth.Natalie d'Arbeloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757081405040926647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-47045555651818024342013-11-11T18:27:00.295+00:002013-11-11T18:27:00.295+00:00I must confess that my feelings do not chime with ...I must confess that my feelings do not chime with Dick's; more in line with Robbie's. It seems to me that it's a bit like sowing seeds, most get lost or do not germinate for all sorts of reasons. A few might just make it. Which ever way I look at it, I see a great deal of work put in which will largely slip away unnoticed because too much was crammed into too little time, or too much was spread too thinly over available venues. I do wonder sometimes just how the minds of these organisers actually work.<br /><br />My hope is that those who made a worthwhile contribution, such as yourself, will have received some benefit from the experience. <br /><br /> Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09028121782477111901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-54395051339881108382013-11-11T18:23:20.822+00:002013-11-11T18:23:20.822+00:00Roderick, thanks for engaging usefully and thought...Roderick, thanks for engaging usefully and thoughtfully with this post. First of all, the creative state as I see it has no resemblance to 'fine careless rapture'. I only meant that it is different from my ordinary, daily mind-set and that I have to choose to move into it. Secondly, I did mention that writing-creativity is different from art-object-making (ie painting etc) creativity, at least for me.<br />Of course the creative state I have to choose to enter doesn't guarantee good stuff! Of course I can emerge profoundly disappointed! Of course there are levels of awareness and defining what goes wrong! Of course I persist if things get dull, as they frequently do! Either I expressed myself very badly in this post or...um...you should read it again, my friend. Sorry if this sounds tetchy but, hey, where did I say that painstaking was bad? And where did I say that by creativity for me is an airy-fairy sort of bliss?<br />Natalie d'Arbeloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757081405040926647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-90229826751613893872013-11-11T18:19:34.503+00:002013-11-11T18:19:34.503+00:00How strange. I can't get my head around this a...How strange. I can't get my head around this at all. <br />I'm glad you were there to report on what's going on in the world of creativity these days.<br />Hattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13297404386730167834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-12105316119138504712013-11-11T18:14:39.949+00:002013-11-11T18:14:39.949+00:00That's an excellent address, Natalie. I wish I...That's an excellent address, Natalie. I wish I could have been there to hear it, or whatever riffs on it you produced! As for the audience of 15, the problem with all such events is the paralleling of presentations. A shame that two of the speakers were hardly qualified to hold forth on the subject empirically! All in all, audience size notwithstanding, it looks to have been a thoroughly worthwhile experience. Dickhttp://patteran.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746593.post-9362500845218347722013-11-11T17:46:08.877+00:002013-11-11T17:46:08.877+00:00Does entering the creative state automatically ens...Does entering the creative state automatically ensure good stuff? Or do you sometimes re-emerge profoundly disappointed? And if so, do you try and define what went wrong? Are there levels of awareness? If things feel dull do you persist?<br /><br />I fear I distrust the first fine careless rapture. It's usually monaural which isn't the best way to tackle layered writing. Marvellous what one good sentence can do for one's optimism. Otherwise I go in guided by a proposition contained in a single sentence. "Here X and Y are going to argue about Z, both being conscious of A." Occasionally I break off to say to myself: I'm doing this because it's fun. If I had a million pounds I'd still want to do this. And even though this damned chair is uncomfortable I still want to do this.<br /><br />Perhaps I'm suffering from Galenson's disease. Does my system sound painstaking? Generally if the sweat is visible it's because you've done it wrong. And solemnity is terminalRoderick Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16828395545197001637noreply@blogger.com